Wednesday, July 14, 2010

What is your siddhi?

Siddhi means accomplishment.

First, a bit of background: Please tell us what your TM practise consisted of - just TM 2x20 or more than that? how long did you do TM? did you use "advanced" techniques? supplements? TMSP? Please tell us what details you are comfortable discussing. Then: On this basis, can you tell us what have you accomplished as a result of your TM practise.

Were your TM accomplishments positive for you? negative for you? positive for others? negative for others?

How so?

Were you able to observe any kind of directly-TM-related accomplishment(s) in others also doing some aspect of Mahesh's TM program? If you are looking back to former times, what do you think of these accomplishment(s) now? Is it possible they were "real" or something else? (What?)

As William has suggested: what do you think Mahesh/the TM organization has accomplished? in what terms do you think these accomplishment(s) can best be quantified or categorized?
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Perhaps you have since TM practised something else. If you want, can you tell us something about what you feel is your accomplishment outside the boundaries of TM?

30 comments:

Deborah1900 said...

I did 20 x 2 for about 3 years, then courses in Poland Springs, Humboldt and Majorca.

I stopped eating meat as a teen, never smoked or drank.

After a few years, certain psychic abilities started to appear...ghost sightings, accurate premonitions, contact with dead relations and friends in dreams. I am not naturally a mystical person, have no New Age or religious beliefs; I have a scientific academic background. I have no control over these events. I do not know if any of this is due to TM practise or if it would have developed anyway. Some of it has deeply enriched my life, some of it has been extremely inconvenient, eg, the unwelcome awareness that I have lived in haunted houses.

Andressa_kirleen said...

I Have Been meditating since 2003 2x20 TM and TM-Sidhi program for seven years, I learned five advanced techniques, and the list below do not correspond, I will admit that advanced technique does not coincide with my own i have 5 , some similarity, but maybe currently is available new techniques,

First: AING NAMAH
Second: SHRI AING NAMAH
Third: SHRI AING NAMAH NAMAH
Fourth: SHRI SHRI AING NAMAH NAMAH
Fifth: SHRI SHRI AING AING NAMAH NAMAH
Sixth: SHRI SHRI AING AING NAMAH NAMAH
(Thought in the heart area)

lexico said...

I'm sorry to sound harsh but it seems to me that if anything your few years of meditation did you the disservice of fostering the delusion that you have magical powers. I'm amazed that many ex-TMers become convinced over time that TM is bunk but continue on believing that they are somehow touched with psychic powers beyond mere mortals and even go to there extent of starting their own movement or else moving into the 'healing arts' where they can indulge their delusion. These people may well have a keen sense of intuition but they mistake the subtle ability of the mind to intuit things out of the mush of their pre-verbal thinking for psychic power, preferring to believe in magic before they will believe that the mind is indeed subtle and that much 'thinking' occurs in one area of brain before it makes it to another, particularly if it is blocked by a belief that you are 'special'. This kind of delusion I am convinced actually blocks the development of intuition because it fails to understand the mechanics of it and also ties it to the ego. I've known several meditators over the years who though they could tell the future, see ghosts, etc. and each of them was decidedly flaky. One I knew was also equally convinced that he was losing about 40% of his body weight while 'flying'. He was full of stories about his great psychic exploits but after knowing him awhile it became quite clear he was just deluded. He had a powerful sense of visual imagination, that much I'll give him, but he was also a loon. I must admit that at one time I thought I could sense radar traps until one day I realized that it was quite easy to see radar traps around a corner, particularly when traffic has slowed ahead of you for no apparent reason and even easier when someone has flashed their lights but the event simply didn't make it all the way to your conscious awareness.

Deborah1900 said...

After leaving the TMO, I completely abandoned anything related to psychic matters or spiritual beliefs. I have certainly done nothing to develop any special powers. You should re-read my post.

lexico said...

OK, I did, sorry if I misjudged you but I'm not sure what you are suggesting. You say you are not a mystical or anti-scientific person, which is the correct thing to say I suppose as a psychologist in this day and age, yet you seem to imply these psychic abilities have some sort of reality and that you have lived in haunted houses and had 'accurate' premonitions and whatnot. What am I to make of that? That you think most new-age and psychic stuff is bogus but that yours is the real deal? Or are you saying that you have these events but regard them as an illness of sorts, perhaps brought on by TM? Something in-between? Real or not? Maybe you should just spell it out instead of making a cryptic reference to your earlier post. You sound a lot like a wannbe 'ghostwhisperer' to be honest.

morris said...

I learned to meditate in 1975 and was fairly regular for quite a long time, about fifteen years. Since then I haven't been as regular, but I still meditate, particularly when I'm under stress, which I believe TM helps me in dealing with. I have never practiced the TM-Sidhis, so I can't say whether they give you the power to talk to long-dead relatives or the ability to walk through walls. I do however, feel that it's a mistake to divide the world into the rational and scientific on the one hand and the mystical on the other hand. To say, as one poster does, that to be a psychologist one cannot believe in the mystical is to say that Carl Jung wasn't a psychologist. People have been having these experiences for thousands of years; some early saints were actually known to levitate. Again, I'm not saying that any of the TM practices can help you attain these abilities, just that the fact that science as yet cannot explain them doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Andressa_kirleen said...

I agree with you

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I understand very well about the flakiness and self-delusions of some teachers/siddhas who have convinced themselves that they are in a higher-state of consciousness, or at the very least, that they are very "evolved."

On the other hand, about 80% of the population have had some inexplicable experience of telepathy, dreams foretelling the future, or after-death communications with a loved one, frequently in a very vivid dream. Unfortunately, there is no scientific paradigm to validate these experiences, so it is hard to discuss it without fearing some ridicule from others. Few people dare to make such comments, and I commend Deborah for being brave enough to share her experiences.

For those that are interested, this is my way of resolving the dichotomy. I like to think that if someone in the 1800s had looked into the future and seen radios, x-rays, MRIs, and cell phones that such a seer would have been roundly ridiculed, if not worse. In the 1800's there was absolutely no scientific understanding of invisible light, radio and magnetic waves to have explained such common-place devices of today. One day, perhaps in 200 years, I believe that there will be a better SCIENTIFIC understanding to explain telephathy, after-death-communications, foretelling the future, and the like. However, like Deborah, I can't discount my own experiences.

For instance, just this year, 2010, early in the morning on January 12th I woke from an awful dream of a TERRIBLE earthquake. Never in my life had I had such a dream. I jokingly told my family, and a number of friends. Since i live in Southern Calif, I secretly feared that we would experience a really bad one very soon, if not that very day. Well, we did not, but at about 3 pm I learned that Haiti did. I believe that Haiti had the earthquake that my dream foretold. (Seeing a YouTube video of security cameras capturing the earthquake in progress was just like my dream --- buildings heaved and hoed like a ship in a violent storm.)

Why did I "see" that earthquake in an extremely vivid dream on the very day it occurred? I have no idea, however, in coordination with my daughter's Girl Scout troop, and Crutches4Africa.org, we are currently collecting crutches to send to Haiti as a service project. If I had not had that dream, I undoubtedly would not be collecting used crutches and planning to send a container full of mobility devices to Haiti.

I do know that I didn't see that particular part of the future because I was in a higher state of consciousness than others. If this prescience was inexplicitedly given to me from "somewhere," I figured that I had better try to use it for good.

For those who are interested, there is an excellent book on the subject of vivid dreaming and after-death communitions. ("Hello From Heaven" by Jill and Bill Guggenheim).

By many accounts, even the esteemed psychiatrist Elizabeth Kubler-Ross (Studies on Death and Dying) was a fervent believer in After-Death Communications ----but only after she herself experienced the apparition of a deceased patient.

If you haven't had any such experience, it is very easy to explain away the paranormal experiences of others. But if you have had such an experience, well, no such explanations will have any effect whatsoever.

In conclusion, I don't believe that my vivid dream was in anyway connected to meditation, as I ceased doing TM twenty years ago. Also, at the age of 16, before I ever started to meditate, I also had a vivid dream of the death of a distant, elderly relative in another city that I had not seen, or heard from, for about four years (and neither had my mom or step-dad.)

Repeated public polls indicate that many, many people believe that they have had psychic experiences. IMO, it is not a phenomenon attributable to mediation, but it is as natural as electromagnetic waves and other unseen "powers" that be.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

What many people believe is irrelevant, people believe all kinds of crazy stuff, people WANT to believe, same as they want to believe in Uri Geller, aliens among us, in the after-life, that Bush blew up the Twin Towers, or Zeus, or that the earth is the center of the universe, that they are levitating, or that Jesus is going to save their soul - it seems so much more interesting than the alternative. But it is quite impossible to convince them their particular scared cows are phony.

Maybe there is something 'out there', I hope so, maybe in the end it is scientific after all. But if there isn't so what? Just life is pretty damn amazing without the 'psychic' overlay - in fact I think the psychic stuff is just another way to distract us from the simple miracle of existence. What is so wrong with life that we need that?
And if there is no life after death so what, you won't be there to feel the emptiness, LOL. No more-so than you felt the emptiness of the infinity of time before now.

It's funny how people will agree in general that most psychic stuff is BS yet maintain that what happened TO THEM was real, LOL, that's how cults propagate, we just can't see it happening to US, our mumbo jumbo is the real thing.

I've had prophetic dreams, lots of them, but eventually I was honest enough to realize the ones that didn't come true just faded from memory while the odd one that did come true stuck with me, of course. We dream a million things, we think a million different things, if you are looking for confirmation of your psychic power you will easily find it in there somewhere. I've astral traveled too, but that too was clearly just a very strong waking I realized after I grew up. In fact, the stronger my intuition has become the more transparent the process has become and it is now quite obvious to me it isn't because of any subtle carrier wave science will discover years from now, LOL, what a nice fantasy though, dream on . .

As far as I can see many ex-TM people get out of the TM BS and just jump into some other form of BS and nothing really changes.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I do agree -- Many people leave one cult/dogma just to jump on board with another cult or dogma.

If history proves to be any guide, I doubt that the orthodox scientific view of life, as espoused by a modern day Westerner in the year 2010, will be substantially the same in another 100 or 200 years. Life is too wondrous. Science is full of miracles as we expand our knowledge.

Whatever is the correct orthodox views of any society throughout human history, that view has always been, and always will be, subject to radical change. Our understand of life during this century is no different.

The traditional "scientific" view of disease, genetics, evolution, and human beings is getting constantly challenged and nuanced.

I say, be wary of dogma in all things, even in the "scientific view" of life.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Hi, Yes I know that so-called psychic abilities are not rare at all; read Psychic Discoveries from Behind the Iron Curtain for some interesting insights. On the ADC website, I learned that 38% of people experience some form of after-death communication from loved ones. These obviously could be classified as a grief reaction, a way of compensating for loss of a loved one. One thing I want to emphasise, when you are having an ADC or any kind of psychic event, subjectively it feels very credible. It's hard to dismiss it as some kind of neural event, eg, a near-death experience. So I really don't know. All I can say is that I did not have any particular experiences before doing TM. I can't say whether they would have occurred anyway. I can say though, that I didn't seek them out, do not live in an environment where they are commonly discussed or experienced, and I doubt whether I am a naive, gullible person.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I would love to state my experience in practicing TM and the Sidhis from 1971 to 1983, and my eventual practice in another cult after that, before leaving and starting my life over, but ... I don't want something so personal and still raw in my awareness and memory to be attacked by the likes of Lexico and anyone else because of their uptightness about psychic abilities and developed intuition. Therefore I refuse to share my life until this forum can get a better handle on people who like to attack sincere contributions due to some point of disagreement, such as a personal experience, belief or faith they do not believe in personally. It seems that mature communication would allow for online discourse even with disagreement or differing belief systems existing between individuals who once shared a common past.

Why could not Debroah1900, or anyone else be able to respond to the question "What is your Siddhi?" without being harshly rebuked or marginalized by that typical internet forum harshness that plagues online communicating? Is it the ability to be incognito and hiding behind computer screens names that fuels individuals like Lexico to go ballistic toward sincere posts just because they do not believe in psychic abilities?

Everyone who was once in a cult may be in different stages of recovery, and this forum could be a great help to such individuals in that process, only I think this forum can do better in having some rules concerning how members treat others, allowing a more safe and secure environment for the expression of ones life during and after the practice of TM and the sidhis, or any other cultic involvement.

Thanks for reading and thanks to all those who have the strength and integrity to share their life's experience here in the face of harsh responses.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Dear All,
I have been in the TMO for thirty years. I have been Governor and Minister, and I've made 90x90 programs. Five years ago I stop the TM/TMS and I'm flying on the plane across the ocean.
The thing is very easy:
If you live in Rome and have to go to NY to see your Princess you must do the following: Take a taxi from home to airport, a plane from Rome to London, a transatlantic flight from London to NY, a taxi from the airport to your girlfriend's house.
The reality has clearly shown that TM/TMS is only the plane from Rome to London.
But someone said the plane went to NY? Yes, but he was wrong.
How can that be? NO matter.
Once in London we have two options:
1. Staying in London protesting endlessly against the company who said to go to NY.
2. Take another plane which is really going to NY.
Option number one involves:
1. We cannot adequately discern reality because we are totally misleading.
2. We are not able to find the transatlantic plane.
3. We just think that NY is a fantasy that does not exist.
The only reality is that MMY did what he could, but could not do more.
For this reason we cannot blame him of our problems: one can only teach what he knows.
After many years practicing TM my conclusion is very simple: it is very good as the initial stage but does not reach the end of the journey.
TM gives the maturity to know where to go and search the jet across the ocean.
We can stay in London crying, or we can continue the journey:
it depends on our own responsibility.
If you stay in London thinking it is NY you has to take care.
Personally I have taken the next plane...
Hmmmm ... already see the Statue of Liberty.
NY exists.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I very much agree with you, KALIgreg. Free speech, free expression, free posting... listen to one another with respect, even when we disagree.

I never felt that I had a siddhi (and, also, I never signed up and did a TM Sidhis course). I had psychic experiences both before and after getting into TM - and it seemed to me that I had more of them after I began meditating. They were usually random, though sometimes an 'experiment' or deliberate exercise along these lines did turn out successfully.

I agree, too, with Jorge. Just befor I quit doing TM, I had a dream I was at a bus stop waiting for the bus. MMY came up to me. The other people at the bus stop did not seem to recognize him at all and paid little if any attention to him. But with me, he seemed to be asking (with his eyes) if I wanted to stay with him - he seemed to be living in some sort of residences near this bus stop). I just put my palms together and gave a little bow toward him, then got on the bus and left, as soon as the bus arrived. For me, that symbolized the "moving on".

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I have absolutely no problem with being challenged on the issue of so-called psychic abilities. First of all, I am a veteran of a number of no-holds-barred forums, eg, rock music boards and women's message boards, and have developed a pretty thick skin. And secondly, most importantly, so many of us have been conned and cheated and HARMED by that old purveyor of ersatz magical powers, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, that it would be a miracle if people weren't skeptical and downright negative or hostile. But I invite you to consider it from another angle.

Quite aside from misattribution of ordinary events as proof of psychic abilities, as Karina has pointed out, they are actually pretty common. Most people, if they think hard, can recall some event where they had some some non-cognitive perception whic was later shown to be accurate.

The thing is, in the West, we tend to think of unusual abilities as being very rare and out of the domain of normal experience. For example, we see people like Einstein and Mozart as very, very exceptional. But what if we had different expectations? In Russia, they have a different view...they think that if a feat is achievable by some people, then theoretcally it is possible for other people to achieve the same feat. Example: they found that certain people could accurately perceive colours without seeing them, ie, they were blindfolded. They decided to see if they could train others to do this. They began with blind people, reeasoning that obviously they were the least sight-dependent subjects. And they did have some success. The book I mentioned above cites other examples. So, given that it may be possible to develop these abilities, why not open yourself up to this, if it interests you? Begin with simple things, like intuiting who is ringing you before you answer a phone. If you go into an old building, or some place that has a charged history, close your eyes and see what you feel, see what perceptions you pick up. What have you got to lose?

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Hello everyone,

really, we can not blame MMY, he is not guilty of our personal problems, even with other methods of meditation do not solve all our daily problems, I think, TM is good, but depends on the course and the techniques you learned, if learned correctly or if we have learned through the Internet

and what time you learned, anybody here learned advanced techniques?
what was your experience with advanced techniques?

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Lexico ... You wrote,

"Just life is pretty damn amazing without the 'psychic' overlay - in fact I think the psychic stuff is just another way to distract us from the simple miracle of existence. What is so wrong with life that we need that?"

Indeed, I too agree completely that life is a miracle of existence. However you seem to think that exploring deeper, below the visible universe, into the psychic realm, is somehow negating the beauty and wonder of every day life. In contrast, I feel that studying the unseen world only further exalts life, all of life, in its infinite diversity.

As I recall that same argument (that exploring the mechanics of creation denigrates creation) was used to ridicule Darwin and his theory evolution, Watson and Crick on unraveling the DNA code, and Van Leeuwenhoek on discovering bacteria. I'm sure you know that there is a very long list of scientists who have been ridiculed for what then appeared to be their preposterous ideas. Almost every great scientist has faced the same criticism that you leveled.

We aren't Einsteins here, but I too agree that a little more respect is due to posters who express ideas that differ from yours. Certainly, feel free to post, we enjoy conversations here, but please leave off the harsher tone, such as the LOLs, and derogatory personal remarks. So many of us enjoy this forum because 99% of the posters here are very respectful of each other.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Sorry if I offended anyone. I have to admit my tone was a bit confrontational and I guess my outrage got the better of me and I tore into Deborah a bit harshly.

I am still a bit shocked that a place which purports to be a group of level-headed skeptics having straight talk about the cult of TM has so many contributors who openly talk about having super powers and fighting off mantra bombs (another recent post) and the like - as if they have moved on from the bad BS and got on with the REAL BS. I would have thought the idea here was to debunk this kind of thing. Is it only acceptable to ridicule Mahesh and his particular brand of snake oil? That doesn't seem right and I guess a bit of my anger was at what looks a bit like hypocrisy on this point.

People do not levitate, walk through walls, talk to the dead, move compasses with their mind, or (aside from the very real ability of intuition, which is just a sort of pre-verbal digestion from known clues) get messages about the future, or about what's happening in Haiti - is it possible somehow, realistically, scientifically? maybe, who can say, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and there is NO proof, after all this time, of ANYTHING psychic, there is AMPLE proof of outright fraud, psychological delusion, honest confusion about intuition and unusual brain phenomena (as they are known subjectively and objectively), and a bit of terribly bad 'science' in the field - dealing with this reality is, or should be, all part of the anti-cult process.

I guess I misread the intent of the topic - I thought the term 'siddhi' was being used ironically. I took the question to be 'what has TM done for you?' , not 'what super-powers did it give you?' - though I did think the use of the term 'sidhi' in this regard was kind of silly and potentially misleading.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

First off, please see my apology to you in another post, I should have been less confrontational.

Let me also say that I am a from believer in intuition, of powerful intuition, it's just that over the many years (too many) as I explored my own intuitive powers it did become clear to me there was no magic involved - just a keen sense of judgment, trusting in gut instincts, listening to my first impulse, etc, - all of which can help you to glean much from common sense clues all around us. But the clues are real, not in some other dimension, IMHO. If you 'feel' something there is usually a reason for it and you must trust this feeling and dig hard to find the reason behind it if you really want to get full knowledge - if you just stop at the feeling you miss much and sometimes intuitive types will stop at the feeling on the grounds that they cannot hope to understand what is magic, or something along that line. Great intuition can very well LOOK like magic to very hard-headed types who insist on a kind of straight-line logic, that is for sure. Very often the clues end up pointing back at one's-self BTW, saying as much about you and your biases and fears as they say about whats 'outside'.

I think one of the biggest problems with intuition is the glorification or spiritualistic of it - if you think it is magic this sort of implies you think the clues you are onto are are arcane or astral or whatever, when in fact I think you actually go a step FURTHER with it if you understand it as just good common-sense and at least try to discover what clues were there that tipped off your pre-verbal mind.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Hi Lexipro --- Thanks for your apology and appreciation that you were too harsh. Certainly we do understand as all of us have overreacted at times, and later regretted what we said/wrote. I hope you will continue to visit the site. You'll find others who agree with you wholeheartedly, and others, like myself, who don't. It does not matter, as long as discussions are respectful.

From hanging out here for a while I have found that indeed we are a diverse lot. Here's some background so that you understand your unseen companions in this recovery journey.

While most regulars here have discarded "Maheshism" (an apt phrase coined by Sudarsha), not everyone here has even discarded Guru Dev, or the daily practice of TM. Some people here still embrace reincarnation, the essence of Hindusim, vegetarianism and yoga. Others embrace other Oriental teachers and writers. Some practice other diverse religions, including the ones from their own culture, or what they were raised with. Others are simply agnostic or atheistic. Don't assume everyone has drawn the same conclusions about TM, meditation and spirituality that you have. About the only thing that unites us is the repudiation of Mahesh and the TM organization.

Although our topics of discussion are far-ranging, we bring lots of different views to the table. Over the decades we have gone in many different directions. Some conversations don't interest me at all, and others do. I'm sure it is the same for most of the regulars. You can look through some of the archives and get a flavor for it all. As I recall there was once a topic on "What books, systems, religions you have found helpful post TM." That was an interesting thread which perhaps will explain even more to you.

If there is any universal "mantra" we seem to have now it is only, "To thine own self be true."

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

TM is not to develop super powers,

MMY released super powers only to attract people, the real goal is to attract self-illumination, however, disclose self-lighting does not attract anyone, so MMY used a marketing strategy

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I seem to recall that Mahesh always dismissed various reported feats of psychic and/or spiritual athleticism by yogis and others as mere "tricks." This of course was before he began promoting the so-called sidhis courses (which I couldn't afford, having worked for him for the previous 5 years).

I guess I took his dismissal of "powers" seriously and have never been interested in hearing about supernatural or psychic experiences, devas, reincarnation, siddhis or whatever. I started TM 43 years ago when it was promoted as a "mechanical technique" for deep relaxation. I wonder whether I would have started during the hopping era....

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

>>I am still a bit shocked that a place which purports to be a group of level-headed skeptics

I do not know where you got that idea. Everyone here has an association with TM, either past or current. There is no reason to assume that we have all repudiated openness to psychic events or spiritual beliefs, which may have been part of our path to TM, just because some of us subsequently became disillusioned with MMY, the TMO and/or TM.

I don't mind being challenged, as I said, but your apology seemed even more insulting than your original post.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

As Karina says:
"What books, systems, religions you have found helpful post TM."
That was an interesting thread which perhaps will explain even more to you.
I think this is really the issue: what's next.
Well, but after TM is there any next?
The next is ALL.
The problem with the TM/Siddhi is very simple:
if you are in the saniyama level of existence you don’t need any power.
Simply YOU ARE the POWER.
The very basis of the TM/Siddhi was a deep misunderstanding about the
Absolute. India is the site of ancient wisdom, but up to date is full of misunderstandings. The Upanisad and the Sankara words even today are not understood properly.
Seen from a fine conception even the Patanjali Yoga Sutras are a complete non sense.
The question is: Having the possibility to be the Infinite, levitate or any "superpower" has any sense?
TM and all its paraphernalia is only one thing: THE PAST.
Living in the past.... (Jethro Tull)

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

As Karina says:
"What books, systems, religions you have found helpful post TM."
That was an interesting thread which perhaps will explain even more to you.
I think this is really the issue: what's next.
Well, but after TM is there any next?
The next is ALL.
The problem with the TM/Siddhi is very simple:
if you are in the saniyama level of existence you don’t need any power.
Simply YOU ARE the POWER.
The very basis of the TM/Siddhi was a deep misunderstanding about the
Absolute. India is the site of ancient wisdom, but up to date is full of misunderstandings. The Upanisad and the Sankara words even today are not understood properly.
Seen from a fine conception even the Patanjali Yoga Sutras are a complete non sense.
The question is: Having the possibility to be the Infinite, levitate or any "superpower" has any sense?
TM and all its paraphernalia is only one thing: THE PAST.
Living in the past.... (Jethro Tull)

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I don't claim to be an expert on consciousness, but the U.S. department of defense spent tens of millions of dollars over a period of some twenty years to train 'remote viewers' so they could go inside their minds and find out where hostages were being held or where missiles and other weapons were deployed. There was a book that I read a while ago that was written by one of the participants. Obviously somebody pretty high up must have thought there was value in this, and I don't think the army is known for being full of naive or gullible people. Also, if you read any book on quantum physics, you will find that scientists themselves have found that many of the things we take as common sense, such as that people can't know the future or defy the law of gravity, in fact may well be false.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

Fine, keep believeing in magic and in your own personal sidhi, if that keeps your boat afloat, sounds like you still have the underlying sickness to me.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

well if a bunch of government beaurecrasts or generals with money to burn thought it might be worth looking into then it must be true . . . and if one of them decided to make a buck selling a sensationalized account of it then I'm all thre more impressed, if it's in a book it also must be true.

Point me to the actual results of their 'study' and show me they are still doing it and making policy or decisions on it, good work finding Bin Laden BTW, of course all of this will be top secret, area 51 stuff you know, grow up

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

TM is not to develop super powers and it apparently does not. What does it develop, other than a rock solid belief in the magical thinking of Maheshism, that which way your front door faces will bring world peace, that bouncing on your butt will create an undetectable yet magical shield the likelihood of which is nonsense?

So what's this butt-bouncing all about? Do you/the bouncers really believe there's levitation going on? The Aum Shinryu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo) also practised butt-bounding. To what end?

I do not have much trouble with TM 2x20. It is, actually, a great introduction to meditation. But it is little else. Mahesh's so-called teachings are more in support of himself than of what meditation can accomplish.

John M. Knapp, LMSW said...

I agree with you Lexico.

When I've discussed the "psychic" subject with people, the words get murky. The term "psychic" to me indicates some sort of ability beyond what is natural. But the person using that word may not think that. So we usually end up defining terms first.

I'm of the bent that intuition/non-verbal communication/even stuff like remote-viewing is simply another sense we have. Perhaps in the vibrational category. I am not a scientist by any stretch. But I've had my fair share (and still do) of serendipities. They are a regular occurrence. I've even experienced picture revelation before an event has happened. But I no longer think that is supernatural or an event of God or some mysterious force.

Are you (or anyone) familiar with the work of HeartMath? I haven't read their study regarding intuition, but have read some of their other work and find it interesting.
http://www.heartmath.org/research/publications.html

I'm of the opinion that, as humans, our intuitive instincts have been overtured by the noisy static of so-called progress - of information, cultural, and other overload. It takes deliberate effort to tune down the static. Of course meditation (broadly defined) is a way to do that.

I may be back later to post regarding the topic of this thread. [GREAT questions Sardasha. Though I confess I didn't know what "siddha" meant. ;-) [

Cheers,
~carol welch

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